Katamari Creator Critical of Revolution ( 2 Views )

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Gamasutra has an article on Keita Takahashi's reaction to the Revolution controller. From the article: "Takahashi commented of the Revolution, which has drawn widespread praise for its underlying concepts from other Eastern and Western designers: 'I'm not really interested in it. I don't think a controller should have that much influence on the enjoyment of games.' He continued: 'I see what [Nintendo is] trying to do, but they're putting such emphasis on the controller; 'Woah, this controller lets you do this!' and I'm thinking - are you messing with us?'"

Maybe the Revolution isnt all cracked up to what the hype has it to be

(caglar, Wallis and Futuna)

Nintendo has had their fair-share of crazy ass products fail miserably. We can only hope beyond hope that they succeed with the revolution. The DS has shown that Nintendo is more than capable of making a device with a gimicky stigma work. Without a doubt it will be interesting to see how everything pans out.

(lara, Guinea-Bissau)

I kind of see where he is coming from. I think with the revolution as launch nears people are either getting gradually more and more excited or less and less.

What I forsee happening in a worse case scenario (and I've said this before) is that everything is going to get repetitive and lose its luster. For instance the 1st FPS game you play is going to be fun mostly because the control scheme will be innovative and new, but what about the 2nd FPS game you play? Or the 5th? Or the 10th? Will the controller still have that "thrill" or will it get to the point where waving the revmote around is no more exciting that pressing a button? Its going to come down to how fun the games are at their core, and like the dev said, the controller isnt really going to change how much fun you have with the games, if its a fun game it will be fun regardless of how you control it (revmote vs. gamepad), just like if its a fun game it will be fun regardless of how it looks (just like his game katamari damacy).

(trstyrt, Congo)

I like your flame-inciting first sentence, there.

BTW, it's not secret that the creator of Katamari is a fan of Sony. The DS, for instance, would be a MUCH better home for the last iteration of Katamari. Not just for the touchscreen control possibility, but the fact that the install base is much much larger in Japan and extends to markets that haven't been previously tapped as successfully. Katamari doesn't exactly need a lot of visual processing power, either. Yet, the last game in the franchise is on the PSP? Hmmm? :)

It's like half a month 'till E3. We'll see what this innovative game designer, who no longer wants to design games (children's playgrounds are his next thing), says after E3 that ISN'T a casual wishy-washy comment like this one.

Oh, and if controllers never changed, where would we be in gaming, today?

(mehmet, Guyana)

I don't trust this guy's opinion at all. Katamari is a fantastic idea, but is probably one of the most frustrating games I've ever played. Somebody tell me why, when I try to roll my 300m katamari up a 1m ledge, it just collides with it and stuff goes flying!? This guy's game has atrocious control - I don't see how he can have anything relevant to say about the Rev's control scheme.

(ARDA, Madagascar)

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

I don't trust this guy's opinion at all. Katamari is a fantastic idea, but is probably one of the most frustrating games I've ever played. Somebody tell me why, when I try to roll my 300m katamari up a 1m ledge, it just collides with it and stuff goes flying!? This guy's game has atrocious control - I don't see how he can have anything relevant to say about the Rev's control scheme.

Despite its frustrating control, the game was still a lot of fun. But you have a point... I mean, does this guy fail to see how much easier his game would be to control if you could literally move the ball around with your hand rather than twiddling with a little analog stick? I'd say his game would have more appeal if it controlled more naturally. In fact, if the controls were better, I would consider the game a LOT more fun, and would definately go in my "classics" category.

Regardless, this isn't confirmation that "Takahashi doesn't like the Revolution controller and refuses to develop games for it, despite not wanting to develop games anymore" either. It's more "Takahashi is apprehensive and says "like whoa! don't mess with us!" in Japanese" :rolleyes:

(hüseyin, Zimbabwe)

I agree with him that a controller is not needed to make a game creative, new and fun. The controller simply acts as a crutch for less creative developers to make their games feel creative, new and fun. In 3 years after the Revolution I think we will see the same stagnant ideas we see everywhere in the game market. Of course there will still be games that are creative and different in their own right, there always are, regardless of the controller.

Is the revolution controller a bad thing? No

Is the revolution controller needed to keep games fun? No

Will the revolution controller on its own make fun and interesting games? No

You still need developers to take advantage of the tools at their disposal. The controller simply provides something different than what people are used to. It isn't any better or any worse as a whole. It may provide smoother control in some existing genres, and it may provide worse control for other existing genres.

(enes, Guinea)

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Originally Posted by steviep

The control ruined the game for me. I don't really enjoy playing it and probably won't ever play it again, which is a big disapointment because it was one of the reasons I got a PS2 in the first place.

Erasmus:
Excellent points about the rev, I agree wholeheartedly.

(YILMAZ, Congo)

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Originally Posted by Erasmus354

I agree with him that a controller is not needed to make a game creative, new and fun. The controller simply acts as a crutch for less creative developers to make their games feel creative, new and fun. In 3 years after the Revolution I think we will see the same stagnant ideas we see everywhere in the game market. Of course there will still be games that are creative and different in their own right, there always are, regardless of the controller.

Is the revolution controller a bad thing? No

Is the revolution controller needed to keep games fun? No

Will the revolution controller on its own make fun and interesting games? No

You still need developers to take advantage of the tools at their disposal. The controller simply provides something different than what people are used to. It isn't any better or any worse as a whole. It may provide smoother control in some existing genres, and it may provide worse control for other existing genres.

QFT (wow, we agree!). You can't simply provide a controller to a developer and instantaneously if the controller is better, the game is better. The keyboard+mouse combination on the PC is the ultimate for FPS titles, but how many shitty FPS titles have I played recently? On top of this innovative hardware, you need innovative software to showcase it... otherwise, it becomes a gimmick. If the software is there, THEN we can call it a Revolution. E3 can't come too soon :p

(tuðçe, Indonesia)

Im a Sony Fan but this Revolution and controller has got me real hyped. Im absolutely dying to purchase a revolution as soon as i can get an english one wether its from the US or UK, the only thing thats bugging me lately is am i gonna need a massive screen to get the full enjoyment out of it, im beginning to think my 32" Samsung LCD TV wont be big enough!! i cant help thinking of arcade machines like house of the dead etc where you stood real close to the screen, i mean iwant everyone else to be able to watch the game without them just seeing my backside!! Maybe im just trying to convince myself and my girlfriend that we need to fork out and buy a 60"+ Plasma!!!

(ali, Malaysia)

The controls to Katamari are not very difficult, my 4 year old nephew picked up the controller while I was on the phone and within a few minutes was rolling around picking shit up just fine. I own Katamari Demacy, We Love Katamari, and Me and My Katamari, and the only game that has mildly difficult controls is the PSP version. But what can you expect for a game that was ported to a system with only one analog stick. I think that they did the best possible job of porting over the controlls from the PS2 to the PSP. Yea Takahashi is probobly biased to Sony, but to be honest I don't see how a Revolution version of Katamari would be any easier to control than the PS2/PSP. And as for Katamari on the DS, how would that be any better than on a PSP? The touch screen wouldn't do shit for the controlls, if they could have controlled the game with one axis control don't you think they would have done it on the PSP with either the D-pad or analog stick. I think that the size of the PSP's display is really what makes Katamari such a great game. Playing Katamari on a DS's smaller 4:3 screen would be very difficult becaues you'd either have a zoomed out image which makes object difficult to see, or a katamari that takes up the entire screen.

(sirhot, Tanzania, United Republic of)

Takahashi said he doesn't even like games.

(abdulkadir, Nigeria)

Nintendo & Sega definitly are the best when it comes to craptacular innovation. Being a long time gamer, those were some of the best moments seeing what these guys would do next. Sadly however, I own most of there BS =).

R.O.B I actually still own this. I don't even know what drugs I was on when I asked my dad to get me one for a birthday when I was younger. Most useless thing I ever had =). Guess being young, I just thought it looked kool =).

The Virtual Boy. Don't even know where to begin with this one =P. Got a few games for it. It's actually the most talked about gaming hardware that I own. Other than my Panasonic REAL 3DO. Something alot of my friends never knew existed -.^.

Segas 32X. I kind of liked this actually. Groups of friends had a blast playing a near arcade perfect ports of Mortal kombat 2 & NBA Jam TE for it. Well, the closest you could get to the arcade experience at the time.

Sega Nohmad. Besides the bragging rights I had owning one of these, never made much use for it. Some games were a real pain trying to play on such a small screen.

Theres so much more stuff that the 2 of em came up with. Alot which are courtesy of Nintendo handheld market. Don't want to run a page long thread of ranting =). Let ya take stabs at there past history if ya like.

-DarkLegacy

(pýnar, Jamaica)

I can understand what he means. To me the controller is nothing more than a glorified Light Gun without the barrel. Look at the Guncon for PS2. Now remove the Barrell and what do you have?

Now i dont mean to knock the Revolution at all. I mean i thought the DS touch screen thing was nothing more than a gimic, but after using one for the first time, i went out and bought a DS.

I have the same opinion with the Revolutions Controller. However. If the Revolution is as cheap as the early rumours were saying, ($100-$150) then i will probably pick on up anyway. Also due to the fact that the hardware is essentially an overclocked version of the Gamecube, it wouldnt suprise me if we see some sort of backwards compatability in the future. (unless they have already excluded that. Not really been paying too much attention to the revoltuion side of things)

BTW, i have a DS but never use it. I also have a PSP but only use that to transfer video onto my memory card because its faster than using my phone. Its like a $250 memory card adapter.

Off topic, but i have 50 episodes of Family Guy and American Dad on my 2gb memory stick for my Sony Ericsson Phone. Those lunch hours at work just fly by.

(aslý, Bhutan)

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Originally Posted by Erasmus354

STANDING OVATION!!

This is something I have been trying to explain to people for MONTHS. Apparently none of the Nintendorks @ the Nsider forums seem to get this concept.. they all think the Rev is a Godsend sent down from heavens and will rockz0rs your boxz0rs!!!eleven lol.. When they make comments like "the Revmote is going to crush the competition, their controllers suck!" I ask them ... 'Well I guess that means that the Gamecube sucks along with all past Nintendo consoles ... right ? Because they don't have this quirky new controller ?"

*crickets*

I like Nintnedo and I appreciate what they're trying to do. However I understand that quite honestly, they cannot keep up with the big boys anymore (Sony, MS) in this maket. Development costs and investing in experimental high end hardware is something Nintendo cannot afford to do. Not monitarily, but business wise. Nintendo unlike Sony and MS is a game ONLY company that relys on all of its income to come in via gaming. Sony and MS can afford to take risk, and lose... Nintendo cannot.

I think Nintendo knows this, and saw the corner they've been pushed into. They needed a way out.. and slowing the pace down and creating a quirky new controller is their nitch. Their target audience quite frankly now is children, teenagers, a few old Ninty fans, and non gamers. The average gamer is a 30 year old male with an expendable income who probably already owns 2 HDTVs. Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Pikmin titles are probably long since off his radar...

I think revmote has 'potential', but it is hardly Revolutionary. Besides the controller, that isn't anything else 'great' about the Rev. Online ? 4 years late. VC ? Xbox Live Arcarde was first. Power/Graphics ? Nope. HD support ? Nope.... but ..

1st party titles ? Yep, Price ? Yep, different ? Yep.

I think Nintendo has a 'shot, if they price thier console cheap enough to attract a Sony and/or 360 owner to pickup a Rev as a secondary console to sit shotgun to their PS3/360.

(ahmet, Bolivia)

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Originally Posted by Skirrow

I can understand what he means. To me the controller is nothing more than a glorified Light Gun without the barrel. Look at the Guncon for PS2. Now remove the Barrell and what do you have?

Now i dont mean to knock the Revolution at all. I mean i thought the DS touch screen thing was nothing more than a gimic, but after using one for the first time, i went out and bought a DS.

I have the same opinion with the Revolutions Controller. However. If the Revolution is as cheap as the early rumours were saying, ($100-$150) then i will probably pick on up anyway. Also due to the fact that the hardware is essentially an overclocked version of the Gamecube, it wouldnt suprise me if we see some sort of backwards compatability in the future. (unless they have already excluded that. Not really been paying too much attention to the revoltuion side of things)
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Wow you really are out of the loop.

I just cant wait for a good rev golf (or tennis, baseball etc) game.. Standing in front of a 100" widescreen taking a swing would be too freaking sweet.

"Sony and MS can afford to take risk, and lose... Nintendo cannot."

Yet nintendo is the only proffiting game division/company.. weird huh?

I thought sony was deep in the red and was relying on the ps3 to pull them out

(fanatýk gs, San Marino)

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Originally Posted by [T5K]thrasher

I just cant wait for a good rev golf (or tennis, baseball etc) game.. Standing in front of a 100" widescreen taking a swing would be too freaking sweet.

Althought I'm not a Nintendo fan and am not a fan of they're new controller(s) in the least bit, I am interested to see how it will work with games like that.

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Yet nintendo is the only proffiting game division/company.. weird huh?

Thats what happens when you have sucessful products...DS. I don't think Nintendo will be able to turn over a profit relying the the DS forever.

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Originally Posted by [T5K]thrasher

I thought sony was deep in the red and was relying on the ps3 to pull them out

They are deep in the red, and if the PS3 isn't a sucess it will not be good for them, but there is much more to Sony than the Playstation and gaming market. Even if the PS3 is a total flop its not like Sony is going to go bust, they'll just wait till the next gen and have another crack at the market. Thats the luxury of being richer than sin. If the Revolution is NOT a sucess, I garantee it will be a MUCH bigger hit to Nintendo than a it would be in the case of the PS3 not being sucessfull.

(hakan, United States Minor Outlying Islands)

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Originally Posted by [T5K]thrasher

How exactly am i out of the loop? Just because i likened the Revolutions controller to a Lightgun?. The same tech has been around on PC for years (http://www.gyration.com/en-US) . How many games do you see that take full advantage of it? Admittedly the price range is a little out of everyones league, but the points still there. . Oh and nintendo's profits come solely from the DS and DS Lite. Gamecube was nowhere near as popular, domestic or abroad. They only hold the handheld market by the balls. Sony is in a lot of trouble and i doubt PS3 can bring them out of it. To me it looks like PS3 may very well bury them unless they can pull something truly magical out there ass. Hype isnt gonna cut it if all you have is a big silver turd. MS certainly has nothing to lose wether they win or tank in the next-gen war. Its like water off a ducks back to them. Gates financial situation DWALVES (spelling?) Sony's. Nintendo, i imagine, will pull out of the home console market if the Revolution tanks. They will concentrate on the handheld market. Thats where the money is for them. And i firmly believe that they will 'revolutionise' (i made a barely funny :D ) the handheld industry yet again. I totally see portable gaming becoming more lucrative than home gaming in the future.

One other thing though. The revolutions sub HD resolution will look like crap on 100". Might as well have every game carry the 'Lego' brand if thats how its meant to be played.

As i say. If the Revolution comes out at the rumoured price and has some top quality games, then i WILL buy one. But i still see the controller as a gimmic. And if all i have to look forward to is golf games then count me out.

BTW. I love Light Gun games. Virtua Cop 1+2 on the Saturn are still 2 of my favourite games. SOOOOO addictive. How long till they make their way to the Revolution? I give it 6 months.

(feride, Micronesia, Federated States of)

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Originally Posted by theNoid

I like Nintnedo and I appreciate what they're trying to do. However I understand that quite honestly, they cannot keep up with the big boys anymore (Sony, MS) in this maket.

Funny that the Gamecube and XBox were neck in neck in sales, huh? And the Gamecube was the one that made actual money.

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Development costs and investing in experimental high end hardware is something Nintendo cannot afford to do.

It's called the "Revmote" and it's one of the many things Nintendo has invested multi millions in for the Revolution.

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Not monitarily, but business wise. Nintendo unlike Sony and MS is a game ONLY company that relys on all of its income to come in via gaming.

Sony and Microsoft want to be "the centre of entertainment in your living room". BOTH of them want to be a digital entertainment hub, NOT a gaming machine. You can go read the hundreds of times they've mentioned so. Is that a good thing? I think it ISN'T. I buy a gaming console to play GAMES. Not to watch movies and shave my balls. I think it's great that Nintendo wants to concentrate on gaming, because that means I don't have to worry about the higher ups at the company gearing the machine for something completely different (see: PSP).

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Sony and MS can afford to take risk, and lose... Nintendo cannot.

You've got it the other way around. Especially in Sony's case.

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I think Nintendo knows this, and saw the corner they've been pushed into. They needed a way out.. and slowing the pace down and creating a quirky new controller is their nitch. Their target audience quite frankly now is children, teenagers, a few old Ninty fans, and non gamers. The average gamer is a 30 year old male with an expendable income who probably already owns 2 HDTVs. Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Pikmin titles are probably long since off his radar...

You are WAAAYYYYY off base here. View this recent ad, for an example of how you're wrong. And you honestly think the average gamer is a 30 year old male? LOL You are seriously living in your own microcosm of what you think the world of video games is. See here. Yep, Nintendo is only for kids... that ongoing stigma is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

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I think revmote has 'potential', but it is hardly Revolutionary.

We'll see. Apparently there's something else left to reveal. However, if you don't think controllers can change the way games are played, please reveal to me the inspiration behind the XBox360 control pad, and where its design comes from. If somebody didn't create a Revolutionary control method in the 80's, what would you be playing with today? Regardless, I can't wait for E3. It's do or die time.

Oh, and Skirrow... you are out of the loop. The Rev is fully compatible with gamecube games... and the controller is INFINATELY more advanced than a lightgun AND a gyroscopic mouse. By leaps and bounds, in fact. You should really read up more on it before you make assumptions on what it really is. Pretty much everything Nintendo does is profitable, aside from the Virtual Boy, so they're not going anywhere in any hardware market.

(didem, Rwanda)

Just want to say that i am in no way an MS !!!!!!!!!!!!. Sure i own a 360 but i fully intend on buying a PS3 if it comes out at the right price. I wouldnt have posted except for the slight burning sensation i felt when i posted my last comment. Though that could be something else. Must get some cream for that.

;)

(özlem, Guatemala)

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Originally Posted by steviep

Yet, the last game in the franchise is on the PSP? Hmmm? :)

Who's to say that there won't be a new version of Katamari for the PS3?

Its no suprise that they had a version for the PSP, it probobly didn't take much porting to get it to run.

(caner, New Zealand)

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Originally Posted by acascianelli

Who's to say that there won't be a new version of Katamari for the PS3?

Its no suprise that they had a version for the PSP, it probobly didn't take much porting to get it to run.

The creator himself has said he doesn't want to make anymore games ;)

(Ismail, Dominican Republic)

Somehow I'm not concerned what the creator of some weird stupid friggin game thinks of the Revolution. Seriously people are like OMFG some Japanese guy is critical of the Rev. Come 'on :D

(efe, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines)

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Originally Posted by Wildfire

Somehow I'm not concerned what the creator of some weird stupid friggin game thinks of the Revolution. Seriously people are like OMFG some Japanese guy is critical of the Rev. Come 'on :D

Give one reason why its a "stupid" game...

(ibrahim, Poland)

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

The creator himself has said he doesn't want to make anymore games ;)

Did not know that...thx.

(kamuran, Rwanda)

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Originally Posted by Tetrahedron

LOL... awww...

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Maybe the Revolution isnt all cracked up to what the hype has it to be

I read the article that quote came from. It sounded more to me like he was just upset at having to make sequals to his game when he didn't want to.

(orhan, Niger)

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Originally Posted by Skirrow

One other thing though. The revolutions sub HD resolution will look like crap on 100". Might as well have every game carry the 'Lego' brand if thats how its meant to be played.

Wait, are you saying that this entire time that I have been playing Game cube and Ps2 games on my projector/ home theater setup I have been looking at crap? :eek:

Some GC games look freaking amazing running in 480p

And the "out of the loop" was referring to your suggestion that the rev maybe might be compatible with the cube, It is in fact fully backward compatible, and in a way right back to the NES/master system.

(NAZAN, Djibouti)

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Originally Posted by [T5K]thrasher

I run my PS2 in 480p and 1080i on a 61" DLP and it doesn't look that great.

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Originally Posted by [T5K]thrasher

And the "out of the loop" was referring to your suggestion that the rev maybe might be compatible with the cube, It is in fact fully backward compatible, and in a way right back to the NES/master system.

Do you have a Revolution sitting in front of you? No. Does anybody have a Revolution to verify this? No. Nobody is sure about the emulation capabilities/extents of the Revolution.

This thread is quickly turning into a Nintendo zealots vs. everybody else.

(pýnar, Cayman Islands)

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Originally Posted by acascianelli

This thread is quickly turning into a Nintendo zealots vs. everybody else.

Well then, lets all stop arguing now, why don't we?

(burk, Brazil)

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Originally Posted by acascianelli

It's fully backwards compatible, which has been knows for quite some time.

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Originally Posted by Nintendo.com

Backward Compatibility. Revolution will play all of your favorite Nintendo GameCube games. An innovative self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. You can also equip a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content.

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And on topic, I have a feeling his comments are to do with where the money is. Coming from the guy who created such a game, who can't seem to see any new possabilities with the Revolution controller. Something isn't quite right.

(ali, Lesotho)

It's pretty well known about the rev's gcn compatability. the remote itself could double as an nes controller, and you can plug a gcn controller directly into the rev as well. I'm still not sure about how the snes controller will be handled though.

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Originally Posted by Smiffy

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I never caught that about the dvd attachement before. Could they eventually release an hd-dvd or blueray attachement?

(fatma , Mayotte)

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Originally Posted by Smiffy

It's fully backwards compatible, which has been knows for quite some time.

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sorry, should have read more...

(selo, Guyana)

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Originally Posted by acascianelli

I run my PS2 in 480p and 1080i on a 61" DLP and it doesn't look that great.

Alright, you have me there, the PS2 does not scale very well.. It almost looks like some games are rendered in 320x240 :p

But the cube looks great on the big screen. (using component/480p) Its slightly more powerful (read: allot more) than the ps2 and i believe most games have at least some form of anti-aliasing.

On the original topic.. Blah, sounds like bitter grapes coming from a sony dev.

Edit: I think I will snap a few "screen shots" later and postem for all the SD disbelievers :D

(ömer, Liechtenstein)

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