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MSI High-End Video Card Comparison - Today we show you three high-end MSI video cards. NVIDIA versus ATI! We get to the bottom of the real gaming experience in Oblivion and others then take a dive into Widescreen gaming.

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Oblivion. It seems like it all comes down to Oblivion right now. This game has shown us all how puny our video cards really are in the grand scheme of things. There is no question though who holds the performance advantage in Oblivion. The MSI RX1900XTX was tearing it up in Oblivion; although we couldn’t achieve the absolute highest settings the game has to offer, we came darn close at 1280x1024—closer than any other card. The amount of detail and the environments at these high settings is simply amazing in this game.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...ZW50aHVzaWFzdA

(ümit, Uzbekistan)

Great review guys! Makes me want a widescreen monitor now...........

(huriye, Cote D'Ivoire)

I just bought the MSi x1800XT model, just flashed it to PE too but its locking up in 3DMark2006 :( . Games felt like they were missing a bit at stock clocks now they run a lot better :D Hopefully my new vf900 will help the high temps, I guess thats why 3DMark06 locks up.

(aykut, Montserrat)

Maybe 3DePenis06 is a flaming hunk of crap? ;) Sorry, had to get in my cheap jab. (I ought to ban myself for offtopic thread crapping like this - - - I am warned.)

(selma, United States)

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Originally Posted by Kyle_Bennett

Maybe 3DePenis06 is a flaming hunk of crap? ;) Sorry, had to get in my cheap jab. (I ought to ban myself for offtopic thread crapping like this - - - I am warned.)

:D Great review anyhow, love the idea, too bad the MSi 7900GTX isnt there, they dont have one out do they ?

Widescreen gaming is definitely where its at.

(dsqfgfe, Iraq)

Nice review :)
If I had to get a PCI-e card today ATI's X1900XT sure looks tempting.
But I am not planning a upgrade until Conroe/R600/G80 time, so my AGP 7800GS(GT) will have to "do" untill then.
(heres hoping that I wont have to go LCD too..keep putting out those CRT's!!!)

As a sidenote:
Does this mean that HardOCP are not nVidia biased anymore? :D :p

Terra - Sorry had to say it ;)

(mehmet, Saint Helena)

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Originally Posted by Juic3

:D Great review anyhow, love the idea, too bad the MSi 7900GTX isnt there, they dont have one out do they ?

Widescreen gaming is definitely where its at.

They actually have two new ones that are just coming out. Sadly, these evaluations of this size take a good while to get done. :(

7900GTX NX7900GTX-T2D512E (SLI Ready) NEW!

7900GT NX7900GT-T2D256E (SLI Ready) NEW!

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...lass=vga&cpu=1

(umut, Yemen)

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Originally Posted by Terra

As a sidenote:
Does this mean that HardOCP are not nVidia biased anymore? :D :p

Terra - Sorry had to say it ;)

No, NVIDIA is just late with their HUGE monthly cash payment of millions of dollars. :p Or at least that is what they will be saying over at B3D.

(merve, Somalia)

Guys to use AA in EQ II with ATi:

First disable Cat AI. Create a file with notepad called eq2.ini. Put the line r_aa_blit 1 in it and save it in the EQ II folder. You may also do this by adding the same line to your recent and default files in said folder. (Edit them with notepad) Set your desired level of AA in the CCC. The AA fix doesn't currently work with Cat AI active, so again, turn it off!

I just rebuilt my rig and EQ II is not currently installed. When I have everything up and fully tweaked I will post a few examples. I was using AA with the 6.3s in EQ II np.

(tuðba, Eritrea)

Great review, very in-depth. Sadly it makes me want to upgrade again and grab a widescreen monitor... :)

My only complaint (not really with the review) is the HDR topics hit in the Oblivion section of the review. I like the HDR side-by-side shots because they really hit home for my how much I don't like HDR in Oblivion. Am I really the only person? I can walk outside today, it's super bright and sunny, find a large rock in the yard and look at it. I am reasonably certain that rock will not be blinding to look at! For the limited good HDR seems to do for backgrounds in Oblivion, it absolutely destroys any type of hard surface for me. It's entirely personal preference though, I heard similar things about HDR in lost coast, but I really liked it.

(gökhan, Saint Helena)

Still working on the read, but I did notice one thing that needed to be corrected. The title on page 4 (and it's corresponding item in the pull-down nav list) are incorrectly labelled. They read as MSI RX1800XT-VT2D512E when they should read as MSI NX7800GTX-VT2D512E

(aslý, Antigua and Barbuda)

I'm a little upset that there was not a mention of the 7900 in the conclusion. The x1900 xtx is stated as the "absolute best gaming performance" card out today but you're comparing ati's x1800 refresh to the none refreshed 7800 series. At the least there should be some mention of the 7900 to make it a fair review. In no way am I saying the 7900 is going to blow the x1900 out of the water or that it's even faster, but you're not comparing apples to apples.

(SEVÝL, Nepal)

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Originally Posted by Kyle_Bennett

Maybe 3DePenis06 is a flaming hunk of crap? ;)

I maintain the [H] 3DMark06 list and even I think it's a worthless benchmark. :D

(seyda, Croatia)

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Originally Posted by uzor

Still working on the read, but I did notice one thing that needed to be corrected. The title on page 4 (and it's corresponding item in the pull-down nav list) are incorrectly labelled. They read as MSI RX1800XT-VT2D512E when they should read as MSI NX7800GTX-VT2D512E

Thanks, fixed

(dilara, Marshall Islands)

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Originally Posted by LittleMe

I'm a little upset that there was not a mention of the 7900 in the conclusion. The x1900 xtx is stated as the "absolute best gaming performance" card out today but you're comparing ati's x1800 refresh to the none refreshed 7800 series. At the least there should be some mention of the 7900 to make it a fair review. In no way am I saying the 7900 is going to blow the x1900 out of the water or that it's even faster, but you're not comparing apples to apples.

There's very little performance difference between a 512 MB 7800 GTX and a 7900 GTX so that's probably why they didn't mention it.

(burcu, Hong Kong)

Are the widescreen gaming tests going to be expanded any to include 1680x1050?

(MURAD, Russian Federation)

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Originally Posted by 5150Joker

There's very little performance difference between a 512 MB 7800 GTX and a 7900 GTX so that's probably why they didn't mention it.

There's a few % points improvement there, enough to make them on par. Besides, hasn't nvidia stopped making 7800 cores and don't the 7900's cost less than what they replaced? It would have just been a more balanced review if they'd have included the 7900 series in the review or atleast even mentioned it in the conclusion.

(murat, Bhutan)

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Originally Posted by 5150Joker

There's very little performance difference between a 512 MB 7800 GTX and a 7900 GTX so that's probably why they didn't mention it.

There's quite a bit more than a "little performance difference" in most cases. HardOCP's review proves that (BF2 is one example), which brings me to my issue. What's up with MSI's 7800 GTX 512 performance? It was consistently, and considerably, lower than the 7800 GTX 512 used in the 7900 GTX review. A 7900 GTX really should've been used in this review to keep things balanced, especially since it was mentioned that they had access to one.

(büþra, Macedonia, the Former Yugoslav Republic of)

great review -- but like others said it would be interesting if they threw a XFX 7900GTX 665MHz core in the mix :o

and maybe a Crossfire vs SLI too :)

(hasan, Vanuatu)

I too am a little more than disappointed that the 7900 GTX was not represented. This review would have been kickass had it come out a month and a half ago...but to come out NOW without Nvidia's latest and greatest represented is just assinine. It gives the appearance of either (a) cluelessness, (b) laziness, or (c) biasness.

Yes, I understand that it takes time to pull off a review such as this, but you should have NEVER published this UNTIL you DID take the time and effort to include 7900 GTX representation...to do otherwise is...well...(a), (b), or (c)!

(samet, Mayotte)

I agree that a 7900GTX would have probably made the review better, even though the X1900XTX would have probably still won in Oblivion due to the heavy emphasis on textures and shaders.

(Hülya, Namibia)

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Originally Posted by 5150Joker

There's very little performance difference between a 512 MB 7800 GTX and a 7900 GTX so that's probably why they didn't mention it.

yep and people also tend too forget the 7800 gtx 512 uses faster memory(correct me if im wrong) then the 7900.

(necmettin, Western Sahara)

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Originally Posted by D!Z

yep and people also tend too forget the 7800 gtx 512 uses faster memory(correct me if im wrong) then the 7900.

The 7900GTX is faster than the 7800GTX 512 in gaming, none the less...

Don't forget about the Core increase.

Terra...

(nadir, Guatemala)

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Originally Posted by D!Z

yep and people also tend too forget the 7800 gtx 512 uses faster memory(correct me if im wrong) then the 7900.

The 7800 512 memory is stock at 1700 while the 7900 is stock at 1600 but I believe they both use 1.1ns GDDR-3. Card makers where usually shipping their 7800 512's at 1750 and 7900 are shipping up around 1700.

(ayþegül, Monaco)

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Originally Posted by FrizzleFried

I too am a little more than disappointed that the 7900 GTX was not represented. This review would have been kickass had it come out a month and a half ago...but to come out NOW without Nvidia's latest and greatest represented is just assinine. It gives the appearance of either (a) cluelessness, (b) laziness, or (c) biasness.

Yes, I understand that it takes time to pull off a review such as this, but you should have NEVER published this UNTIL you DID take the time and effort to include 7900 GTX representation...to do otherwise is...well...(a), (b), or (c)!

Perhaps they should have waited, but the 7900 doesn't beat the XTX in Oblivion or Fear. They could could have also waited and included Chuck's Patch and 100 screenshots showing Oblvivion with HDR + AA. Still = XTX over 7900. Would this have made you happy?

(mehmet ali, Tokelau)

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Originally Posted by D!Z

yep and people also tend too forget the 7800 gtx 512 uses faster memory(correct me if im wrong) then the 7900.

That's right.

stock speeds:

7800GTX 512MB
core 550MHz
mem 850MHz DDR (1700MHz)

7900GTX
core 650MHz
mem 800MHz DDR (1600MHz)

The 7900GTX is still faster overall, sometimes by as much as 8%. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=6

(aykut, Anguilla)

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...fanATIc comment alert...

(viþne, Tajikistan)

Great article :)

I'll pitch in and say a 7900GTX would have been a nice inclusion... The XTX really raises the bar in performance.

Also am I just blind or is there not a huge amount of difference between the quality screenies? (I'm checking this out on my 2405)

I've read a lot of articles discussing the actual benefit of AA and AF and a lot of them come to the conclusion that the effect of these on IQ past a threshold value (hotly debated and widely specified in both cases) is questionable.

Tweakguides, for example, holds the view that increasing the resolution a notch from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 provides more IQ gain than 8x AA to 16x AA at 1280x1024.

What do you think? If there is a trade-off between resolution and AA which would you go for?

(hakan, United Kingdom)

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Originally Posted by FrizzleFried

...fanATIc comment alert...

Yes, I just made the switch from an GTX to an XTX last week and I couldn't be happier about it. Best card out there in my opinion.

(mustafa, Tunisia)

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Originally Posted by MrNasty

What do you think? If there is a trade-off between resolution and AA which would you go for?

It really depends on the game and personal preference.

Nice article Brent.

(hdh, Lao People's Democratic Republic)

Yeah, that review looked really one sided since you guys used the 7800gtx.

Newegg has the X1800XTX for $509.
Newegg also has the 7900GTX for $509.

The problem? A fast 7800gtx is 490/1300

A fast 7900gtx is 665/1630

That could easily be between 20 - 25% faster than your 7800gtx, for the same price.

So I cry foul on the review, and not because I'm rooting for Nvidia, but just because equal generation and price products were not compared.

(mehmet, Moldova, Republic of)

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Originally Posted by Advil

Yeah, that review looked really one sided since you guys used the 7800gtx.

So I cry foul on the review, and not because I'm rooting for Nvidia, but just because equal generation and price products were not compared.

Give it a rest will you?
If HardOPC does a review and nVida looks good, the reds will scream:
"HardOCP is NVIDIA biased.!"
If HardOCP does a review and ATI looks good, the greens will scream:
"HardOCP is ATI biased.

Since they can't be both, I think they evalute on the facts, but that will always leave one "side" feeling left out...

Terra - The review is fine...move along....

(faruk, Pitcairn)

i wouldn't bother trying to defend this article to the people bashing it, they just neglect to notice it is a MSI review and that MSI has just released their variant of the 7900, i'm sure the [H] would of like to add that as well as the ATi's patch that allows for HDR+AA and CF support with oblivion...

i'd have to say good review, was very suprised to see how maxed out BF2 has already gotten :D and why wasn't SS2 in there? just curious

(ahmet, Burundi)

I just want to know if you have the only 7800 GTX 512MB card on the planet earth.

I too would like to see how the latest from nVidia compares......but like yopu guys said, at the time MSI didnt make one. After all this was sort of a MSI showcase, anyway.

It was a good read. Those widescreen shots are just plain delicious.
If I ever trip over a pile of money I gotta get one of those 30 inch deals.

(ugur, Mexico)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102629

299 for sapphire x1800xt 512 mb oem video card.

(ÖZLEM, Svalbard and Jan Mayen)

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Originally Posted by Coolmanluke

Wrong on one count:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...w2LCxobmV3cw==
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=7
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...900gtx_16.html

What says you're not wrong on the other?

(ZHRA, Palestinian Territory, Occupied)

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Originally Posted by Terra

I'm not upset or calling them biased because they show ATI and the better choice. I'm upset that they didn't included a complete comparison. It was the x1800 and x1900 vs the 7800gtx 512. With the 7900GTX included, they still could have told me to go buy ATI and I would have thought it was a great review. It would have been well worth the extra few day wait to throw the 7900GTX into the mix to even it up.

(neslihan, Guinea)

you make it sound like they only had a day to get the review out

i swear, certain people will never be happy with anything

"oh look a dollar"

"fuck, thats lame, its not 5"

(aysee, Mongolia)

FYI it took me 3 weeks to complete that evaluation :eek:

(kabil, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya)

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Originally Posted by Tweakin

Great review, very in-depth. Sadly it makes me want to upgrade again and grab a widescreen monitor... :)

My only complaint (not really with the review) is the HDR topics hit in the Oblivion section of the review. I like the HDR side-by-side shots because they really hit home for my how much I don't like HDR in Oblivion. Am I really the only person? I can walk outside today, it's super bright and sunny, find a large rock in the yard and look at it. I am reasonably certain that rock will not be blinding to look at! For the limited good HDR seems to do for backgrounds in Oblivion, it absolutely destroys any type of hard surface for me. It's entirely personal preference though, I heard similar things about HDR in lost coast, but I really liked it.

Yeah me too. I really don't like the HDR in this game - it really puts me off. Its too bright in some areas. It looks nice in some parts but on a whole it doesn't warrant it being on. Thats only my opinion though.

Apart from that great review and a great game.

(tansu , Poland)

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