Conroe and AGP? ( 3 Views )

1. When Conroe is released in a few months will there be good boards available which support both Conroe AND AGP?
   
   
   (ahmet, Afghanistan)


2. very doubtful
   
   
   (korayyy, Senegal)


3. Quote:

   Originally Posted by perplex When Conroe is released in a few months will there be good boards available which support both Conroe AND AGP?

   ECS or Asrock will turn up with a bodge.
   
   
   (tülay, Mauritania)


4. Conroe and AGP *is* possible; however....
    
   It is highly doubtful that there is a large (or even medium) market for the Conroe/AGP combo; however, there *is* a market for it. It's the same market that is buying boards like the aforementioned ASRock (which supports most existing P-D processors, including Presler, yet has graphics taking the AGP bus). The problem will be, as it has been for the P-D and AGP, *chipset* support. Neither nVidia or ATI has a known Conroe-ready chipset as of yet (this also applies to VIA); worse, both ATI and nVidia are strictly PCIe. Right now, VIA is the *only* fish in the dual-core/AGP lake, and the heat from the PCIe camp is drying up said lake.
   
   As of right now, the *only* known motherboard that supports Conroe out of the box that is actually shipping (Intel's own D975XBX revision 304) is going to be buried in the back rooms of resellers who still need to move their existing stock of pre-Conroe D975XBX revision 302 and earlier boards.
   
   
   And so it goes.
   
   
   (özgür, Singapore)


5. Quote:

   Originally Posted by PGHammer As of right now, the *only* known motherboard that supports Conroe out of the box that is actually shipping (Intel's own D975XBX revision 304) is going to be buried in the back rooms of resellers who still need to move their existing stock of pre-Conroe D975XBX revision 302 and earlier boards.

   If you have soldering skills you can make the older 975 boards work with conroe, there are only a few resisitors and caps that need to be changed. I would imagine that the re-work instructions would get leaked sometime.... maybe not though.
   
   
   (Murat, Martinique)


6. I seriously doubt it. AGP has been out of the high performance arena for about a year. It's time to give it up and go to PCIe.
   
   
   (Kadir, Sierra Leone)


7. Quote:

   Originally Posted by Dan_D I seriously doubt it. AGP has been out of the high performance arena for about a year. It's time to give it up and go to PCIe.

   yeah seriously...we're going on the second generation by which agp is supposed to be dead. If someone is looking to buy brand-new cutting-edge equipment (like conroe when it comes out) there is absolutely no reason why they would need agp. It's not like conroe will work in old agp mobos or anything. Seriously people, accept pci-e and move on.
   
   
   (koray, Zimbabwe)


8. Quote:

   Originally Posted by Poncho If you have soldering skills you can make the older 975 boards work with conroe, there are only a few resisitors and caps that need to be changed. I would imagine that the re-work instructions would get leaked sometime.... maybe not though.

   I've figured that when you look at all the information for the Intel 975 mobo. That its the same motherboard with a few extra caps/resistors added to the bill.
   
   I've never attempted to solder on a motherboard, but I might try it to get Conroe working on my board.
   
   
   (eyüp, Sao Tome and Principe)


9. There is a *reason& why there is a market for P-D and AGP. Conroe or no Conroe
    
   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Eva_Unit_0 yeah seriously...we're going on the second generation by which agp is supposed to be dead. If someone is looking to buy brand-new cutting-edge equipment (like conroe when it comes out) there is absolutely no reason why they would need agp. It's not like conroe will work in old agp mobos or anything. Seriously people, accept pci-e and move on.

   The hole in *that* theory (and why there is still a market for *new* AGP motherboards in the first place) has to do with still-viable (and still-active) AGP bus cards (X800XT, 9800 Pro, 9700 Pro). Unless you bought your card *used*, you likely plunked down serious coin for yours new, and then along comes first dual-core (or Conroe) and you tell them that they have to *eat* that $350+ graphics card that still has viability (especially if its an AIW)? There will be MAJOR resistance to that argument (especially to those having a difficult time justifying even the new processor *and* new RAM, which along with a new motherboard make Conroe a $1K upgrade). Throw in a middle or high-end PCIe graphics card (or two, if you want to dance with CrossFire or SLI) and the upgrade price climbs north of $2K.
   
   Yes, I'm saying that there are AGP-bus cards that are *still* viable, even with Vista on the horizon, and the three chipsets I spoke of earlier are primarily (or exclusively, in the case of the 9800 and 9700 Pro) AGP. Yes, I know that neither the 9800 Pro or 9700 Pro have been manufactured in *two years*; that, however, does NOT detract from their viability. Even the two-years-dead 9700 Pro can *still* play today's games at decent resolutions and decent (though not killer) frame rates. In most cases, as far as the human eyeball goes, anything above (sustained) 30 fps is gravy. That two-years-dead 9700 Pro can *still* dish out playable frame rates in today's A-list titles at 1024x768 or 800x600 (I should know, as I am the proud owner of an AIW 9700 Pro headed into its *fifth* year of service). While future titles will easily demand more *CPU* power, I haven't run into so much as *one* title (either shipping or in beta) that specifically requires PCIe (in fact, I can say with both asperity and certainty that not so much as ONE title that will be released for the PC between now and the end of 2007 will even demand AGP8x).
   
   Yes; it's a niche market. However, that niche is still at least as large as the Mac market, and is thus viable.
   
   
   (Funda, Syrian Arab Republic)


10. Quote:

    Originally Posted by PGHammer The hole in *that* theory (and why there is still a market for *new* AGP motherboards in the first place) has to do with still-viable (and still-active) AGP bus cards (X800XT, 9800 Pro, 9700 Pro). Unless you bought your card *used*, you likely plunked down serious coin for yours new, and then along comes first dual-core (or Conroe) and you tell them that they have to *eat* that $350+ graphics card that still has viability (especially if its an AIW)? There will be MAJOR resistance to that argument (especially to those having a difficult time justifying even the new processor *and* new RAM, which along with a new motherboard make Conroe a $1K upgrade). Throw in a middle or high-end PCIe graphics card (or two, if you want to dance with CrossFire or SLI) and the upgrade price climbs north of $2K. Yes, I'm saying that there are AGP-bus cards that are *still* viable, even with Vista on the horizon, and the three chipsets I spoke of earlier are primarily (or exclusively, in the case of the 9800 and 9700 Pro) AGP. Yes, I know that neither the 9800 Pro or 9700 Pro have been manufactured in *two years*; that, however, does NOT detract from their viability. Even the two-years-dead 9700 Pro can *still* play today's games at decent resolutions and decent (though not killer) frame rates. In most cases, as far as the human eyeball goes, anything above (sustained) 30 fps is gravy. That two-years-dead 9700 Pro can *still* dish out playable frame rates in today's A-list titles at 1024x768 or 800x600 (I should know, as I am the proud owner of an AIW 9700 Pro headed into its *fifth* year of service). While future titles will easily demand more *CPU* power, I haven't run into so much as *one* title (either shipping or in beta) that specifically requires PCIe (in fact, I can say with both asperity and certainty that not so much as ONE title that will be released for the PC between now and the end of 2007 will even demand AGP8x). Yes; it's a niche market. However, that niche is still at least as large as the Mac market, and is thus viable.

    And my sound blaster AWE64 can handle the audio for all modern applications just fine...but I don't run around demanding ISA slots on modern mobos to use it.
    
    Furthermore, there are plenty of options for high-end agp boxes is someone really wants to go that route. On AMD side you can run any nforce3 or k8t800 pro board and drop an X2 and an agp video card into it. Or grab the asrock dual pci-e/agp mobo for both. On intel side you can run pentium D's fine and dandy along with both a REAL agp bus and a REAL pci-e bus on pt880 pro (newegg has several boards with it in stock, ECS, Asrock, and Asus and perhaps a few others have boards based on it) Hell PT880 Pro even supports DDR1 and DDR2! AGP has been on life support for a while now...but eventually you have to let it go. I think conroe is where to draw the line. But hell, I wouldn't be surprised if VIA respins PT880 again to add conroe support anyway.
    
    
    (ela, Cayman Islands)

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