Would you buy an X800/X850 crossfire setup? ( 2 Views )

Question is simple, answers are simple. Keep it clean homies.

I wouldn't if I had to put down my money for it today.

(hakan, Indonesia)

Maybe four years ago

(gökhan, Ecuador)

Negative. After the reviews today my next purchase will be a GTX.

(ERDOÐAN, Estonia)

i waiting. i have enough performance already. maybe next year for both ATI or NVIDIA. depends who gives the performance.

(Taner, Cape Verde)

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Originally Posted by Boozer

i waiting. i have enough performance already. maybe next year for both ATI or NVIDIA. depends who gives the performance.

Why did you say yes then? I mean this is about X800/X850 crossfire not ATi's next generation crossfire.

(aslan, Congo, the Democratic Republic of the)

Who voted yes? :eek:

(yunus, Syrian Arab Republic)

I would love to buy something that's broken due to a glaring error of engineering.

(kalpkalbekarþý, Samoa)

I voted yes simply because it could at some point and/or some place be a very cheap solution with decent preformance, no reason to say I will never buy somthing :rolleyes:

(osman, Jordan)

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Originally Posted by Darakian

I voted yes simply because it could at some point and/or some place be a very cheap solution with decent preformance, no reason to say I will never buy somthing :rolleyes:

X800/X850 crossfire, not crossfire in general. Crossfire in general will get good eventually, but not X800/X850.

(ibrahim, Comoros)

The current crossfire blows, LETS ALL see what the X1800XT Crossfire can do first... Then I think we will decide whats best.

(Even though it can only do 1600x1200 at 60hz but oh well -_-)

(cihan, Aruba)

Even if R520 is proved to be much better than 7800, I will still stick with nVidia with my upcoming build. I'm not going to spend my money on Crossfire to experience motherboard problems and driver problems. Better stick with a more mature technology and enjoy some games. Sorry ATI. :D

(burak, Virgin Islands, U.s.)

The two people who voted yes, were talking about crossfire in general. So I guess the general consensus is a resounding "NO" to crossfire thus far. 27 voted against X800/X850 crossfire.

(oðuz, Grenada)

X8x0 Series Cross Fire? No way dudes, even though my montior is capped at 1280x1024 I still dont want towaste my time with old Technology. Now X1800XTs in Cross Fire and 7800GTXs in SLi? Of course I would! If I had tons of money though I would build A Cross fire Rig for fun. Same with SLi back in its hay days.

(serhat, Syrian Arab Republic)

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I would love to buy something that's broken due to a glaring error of engineering.

It was not an glaring error but their was simply no way around the problem.

(Can , Romania)

Not only my opinion,
but from many reviwers too,
crossfire now can't offer the same price/gaming experience
that a single GTX can, mainly due to the fact that you have to buy yourself a new mobo if you already have one X8x0 to add another, or the fact that until X1K series come out nvidia has the upper hand (legs, head, toes u name it ) :p j/k

Many people tend to get angry when others mention the resolution cap, but for people that can afford Xfire, that's important, simply because they'll have large screens and want hardware that can offer them the ability to enjoy those toys.

Remember, the poll is about Xfire with X8x0 series...
and once again, I believe competition will only arrive with the new radeons....

(serhat, Ukraine)

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Originally Posted by Sephiros

but for people that can afford Xfire, that's important, simply because they'll have large screens and want hardware that can offer them the ability to enjoy those toys.

DING DING DING! :) Now I can't speak for the next gen xfire, but right now I feel the only people for crossfire are the people who can't afford it and will never buy it.

(Ertuðrul, Cook Islands)

I've been holding on to my X850 XT so that for $350 more I could buy a Cross-Fire card and get some crazy-arse performance. I'll probably wait until the spring when some good Cross-Fire boards come out and prices go down before I actually upgrade.

(hasret, Svalbard and Jan Mayen)

Not while nVidia is making cards

(hatice, Heard Island and Mcdonald Islands)

I use a 1280x720 dlp for all computing so no need for 1600x1200 for me. I prefer the larghe screen anyday so yes I would buy one. I use a custom res or 1240x700 to fit the screen so I could run AA and AF full blast all the time and on a 50" screen it looks frikin nice !

(önder, Slovenia)

1600x1200 @ 60Hz?

Methinks not.

(gamze, Iraq)

ooooooo....i want to buy broken or limited hardware...it's teh win for the consumer. :D

(tuðba, Oman)

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Originally Posted by {NG}Fidel

It was not an glaring error but their was simply no way around the problem.

nVidia didn't seem to have a problem with it... :o

(mesut, Seychelles)

maybe if i just got an X800/X850 but i just sold mine to get the 7800 GTX.

(ertac, Mexico)

Not on your life. Or at least, not until the technology improves a bit.

(muhammet, British Indian Ocean Territory)

lol@results
quite interesting i must say

(AYÞE , Guam)

I'm truly laughing at the results... hopefully the release will sway it differently

(saliha, Guadeloupe)

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Originally Posted by KickAssCop

The two people who voted yes, were talking about crossfire in general. So I guess the general consensus is a resounding "NO" to crossfire thus far. 27 voted against X800/X850 crossfire.

You really seem to be trolling as of late. Seriously.

I can respect your opinion but what you and some others said in the other Crossfire thread is just rediculous.

Start a poll where you ask people with 5XXX cards or 9XXX cards if they would go out and buy a 6800GT SLi combo right now. Most wouldn't. Why? Because the 7800 is out. Most won't buy a Crossfire setup on the x8xx series. Why? Because the next gen is coming out pretty soon.

This thread is so biased it hurts, and I hope none of you, either for or against Crossfire, use it as reference for what the market wants.

Thats my piece. I just wanted to get that on the record. I don't care about Crossfire or SLi because I am not in the market for either.

(tugba , Nigeria)

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Better stick with a more mature technology and enjoy some games. Sorry ATI

As someone already said before, 'Too little, Too late ATi'. My vote and support goes to nVidia becuase SLI support is improving rapidly.

(istisnayým (damla), Belarus)

my 6800nu provides a good enough gaming experience for me right now. I really don't see myself upgrading my video card this gen. I'm putting my cash towards an xbox360 in the mean time :D

(orhan, Japan)

Not when a single 7800GTX is cheaper, and superior performance wise.

(selin, United States)

hmmm

The manner of implementation of Crossfire is completely unsatisfactory. Noone to blame but ATI itself.

In the rush to counter NV marketing they jumped at a non-solution.

Given that we all by know understand that NOTHING on the motherboard is required in order to support SLI or Xfire, the requirement for a "special" motherboard for either one is total marketing BS, anti-consumer, anti-enthusiast. I say to both companies FK U on that point.

Any motherboard with 2 x16 connectors (operating in x8 and x8) are all that is needed outside the video cards and drivers to implement "SLI/VFire"-ness.

Any assertion by either company to the contrary is utter total BS, bold face LIES.

I will stick with my DFI NF4 SLI board because it is simply THE BEST A64 board out there so far. I get the most out of my A64 chip and my memory using this board, PERIOD.

ATI chose NOT to put a bridge connection on thier video cards, forcing them to use the DVI connector to make the interconnect between boards. They were NOT precluded by patent/legal constarints from using a bridge of somekind. They CHOSE not to.

OK, then wake up and BE SMART. By making your XFire a DVI based interconnect, simply go a step further. Make an external BLACKBOX with 2 DVI-I inputs, and a DVI-I output.

Inside the BBox is a frame buffer, control chip, maybe use a USB connection to allow the PC to "configure" the BBox, or just embed info in the DVI signal, whatever.

The BBox would just take the 2 outputs and knit them back together into a single monitor signal.

ANY TWO video cards with DVI-I could then be used for "SLI-ness". Only the driver need be altered to "KNOW" that the video frame is to be divided up (by a host of methods, AFR, etc) across the 2 cards and outputed, and the BBox outside will knit them back together appropriately.

Peice of FKing Cake. Moreover, the BBox would have OTHER uses as a product. An example would be, notice how HDTV's have only ONE DVI input? What if you want to use your HDTV with BOTH a HDTV Tivo cable/DirectTV box and also with your HTPC??

WHat you get up and swap cables all the time? Use some DVI switch device? Or the BBox, which could even )under the control of your HTPC) implement picture-in-picture with 2 DVI sources to one HDTV.

Further, the 2 video cards could output at thier max resolutions/refreshrates and the BBox can use the NEW TMDS transmitter that handles the high res high refresh that the individual cards cant quite handle. So CURRENT production X850's would be ready to go, with no "SPECIAL" cards needed, etc.

I chose NOT to be a member of TEAM SPED. ATI's new team... TEAM SPED.

Word to ATI, nobody's gonna buy this crap. And noone is going to toss a perfectly good NF4 motherboard JUST to be able to use your silly convoluted botched Crossfire nonsense. It aint happening, talk about IN DENIAL.

Hint: only way you could get a move would be to make a FAR SUPERIOR motherboard design....which you haven't come close to.

And this is all from the owner of 2 X850XTPE PCIe and 1 X800XTPE agp and 0 NVidia cards. If you cant sell ME on any of this, you have already LOST the battle. Knock off the BS and get your lazy good for nothing ass's in gear.

(ssssss, Armenia)

I'm not a big "visuals" guy myself, but based on what I've heard so far, SLI is the simpler setup. (I mean, you have to buy a "master" card just to use Crossfire?) With that said, the only reason I would get a Crossfire- (or SLI-) based mobo is if said board has a lot of good features (excluding Crossfire/SLI) for a good price.

However, I am concerned that by this time next year, all of the new mobos coming out will "force" consumers to choose either ATI or nVidia before they could even choose their boards.

(can, Bahamas)

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Originally Posted by ninethreeeleven

Wow just making a small joke means trolling. Where in this or any other thread did I not back my joke with facts that are actually valuable to the consumer. As for trolling, all I said was for people who have whatever hardware, will they be in the market for crossfire. It does not matter if its a radeon 9XXX user or an FX 5XXX user, or even a 7800GTX user since, the fact of the matter is, will they buy crossfire, as of today. And the poll definitely shows what the current situation is.

Also you seem to be enforcing the point that crossfire on X800/X850 series is not worthwhile. Bias is in this thread for people who either are not in the market for these cards (like you and should not vote :rolleyes: ) or people who like to use words like "ATi for life" :o . For an informed consumer, this poll provides with enough good results to stand on its own.

P.S. Hardforum is not only members who buy the latest and greatest tech, its a worldwide community and many people visit here. I guess before you call someone names you better back up your facts for good because otherwise, the troll in you would surely come out of the hat in front of the crowd.

(yavuz, Mauritania)

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It was not an glaring error but their was simply no way around the problem.

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nVidia didn't seem to have a problem with it...

Its no doubt that Nvidia was much smarter and more prepared. They launched this new
Dual GPU mode first and made preperations at the Hardware level before hand.
With the X800s its alot more dfficult. They had the logic to run Dual GPU in their cores but they didnt have the hardware to split the image amongst the cards and display itto the screen. Now if you think X800Cross Fire is allready bad imagine if they made it so you needed two New X8x0 Series Cards to use it just so you could get above 1600x1200 at 60hz. They did their best to make it but they were limited by previous hardware, no doubt head honchos at ATi were pushing their engineers too much.

(atakan, Lebanon)

I would but I don't have the cash to whip out another X800XL. I want the Crossfire since I have a shitty CRT and I have upgrading to a 2005FPW

(mehmet, Saint Lucia)

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Originally Posted by {NG}Fidel

Its no doubt that Nvidia was much smarter and more prepared. They launched this new
Dual GPU mode first and made preperations at the Hardware level before hand.
With the X800s its alot more dfficult. They had the logic to run Dual GPU in their cores but they didnt have the hardware to split the image amongst the cards and display itto the screen. Now if you think X800Cross Fire is allready bad imagine if they made it so you needed two New X8x0 Series Cards to use it just so you could get above 1600x1200 at 60hz. They did their best to make it but they were limited by previous hardware, no doubt head honchos at ATi were pushing their engineers too much.

thanks master of the obvious...all the explanations in the world don't change the fact that they were un-prepared...talked a bunch of smack...and then released an inferior product...

I don't know why you feel the need to explain it in such a way as to try to make people feel bad for them...they fucked up...they get bitched at...end of story...

(asude, Panama)

ATi Didnt talk a bunch of smack except for their AA Slide which at the time was true.
If it were not for ATi's new features we wouldnt have allot of the things in SLI that we do now. Sort of like how if it were not for Nvidias SM3.0 we wouldnt have a new Shader Model right now.

Empty I do feel that if I were to take this

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I don't know why you feel the need to explain it in such a way as to try to make people feel bad for them...they fucked up...they get bitched at...end of story...

And apply it to you in a fitting situation then you wouldnt agree. I think people generaly over react about these things. All you guys are doing is spewing filth to hurt ATi. Instead we could do this maturely. I remember when SLi Came out I tried to talk about its flaws and pros in the same post in a intelligent manor but I couldnt even do that. For SLi it was more = with the amount of people supporting it and agianst it. With Cross Fire it just seems like a bunch of angry people without anything to do.
Every time an individual or a body of people (Company) release a new concept, idea, or inovation they always get blasted for it if its not 100% up to par right when it arrives.

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My post isnt to make people "feel bad" for them. My post is to make sure people understand what happened before they spew fud. If you meet someone who thinks the X850XTPE is faster than a 7800GTX what do you do? You inform them of the facts in a civilized manor and politely explain to them why they are wrong. With Cross Fire its just of One Sided Angry people trying to convert as many as they see.
Keep in mind I wont be buying Cross Fire for the X8x0 Series as its a waste but I do feel its some good effort from ATi to create a Dual GPU solution which is a very complex task.

(kamil , Falkland Islands (Malvinas))

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Originally Posted by {NG}Fidel

Are you kidding me? Nobody ever had to put a boot up nvidia's ass to get them to innovate...they've been the technology leader in the videocard market for almost a decade...they've consistently produced more advanced cards than ATi over that time...if anything, their drive to innovate has been their achilles heel, often leading to overly complex designs that didn't perform as well as other more streamlined designs...

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Originally Posted by {NG}Fidel

Empty I do feel that if I were to take this

And apply it to you in a fitting situation then you wouldnt agree.

You couldn't be more wrong...I'm a grown ass man...and I've made a lot of mistakes in my life...and I stood up and took it on the chin for every single one of them...

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Originally Posted by {NG}Fidel

I think people generaly over react about these things. All you guys are doing is spewing filth to hurt ATi. Instead we could do this maturely. I remember when SLi Came out I tried to talk about its flaws and pros in the same post in a intelligent manor but I couldnt even do that. For SLi it was more = with the amount of people supporting it and agianst it. With Cross Fire it just seems like a bunch of angry people without anything to do.
Every time an individual or a body of people (Company) release a new concept, idea, or inovation they always get blasted for it if its not 100% up to par right when it arrives.

Funny how everyone else in this thread is talking about CrossFire, and all you an seem to think about is the SLI launch from A YEAR AGO...

And there's a reason everyone is bashing CrossFire...it's because IT SUCKS..."not up to par" doesn't quite cover it...ATI just released a $1000 graphics system that can't render anything over 1600x1200@60Hz...

If it was a little slower than SLI, that would be "sub-par"...this launch is more like walking on to the golf course and taking a big shit in hole #9...

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Originally Posted by {NG}Fidel

people understand perfectly...and none of this is "FUD"...it's all FACT...

(hasret, Lebanon)

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Your telling me that all these new Features for Sli have not been influenced by any choices made by ATi for Cross Fire?
And how about when SLi had massive Problems with any Widescreen Displays? I dont think they were killing themselves to inovate around that problem. It tooks lots of moaning from SLi owners to get them to fix that.

"they've consistently produced more advanced cards than ATi over that time"
I dont know how you are going to prove this one. So the in that ten year period the 9700 was a inferior card as was the 9800. Oh and the X800s and 6800s we had a clear leader their didnt we? Nope if I remember correctly performance wise the X8x0 series had the majority of games under their belt (It was rather even though) and IQ wise the 6800s had the crown.

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You couldn't be more wrong...I'm a grown ass man...and I've made a lot of mistakes in my life...and I stood up and took it on the chin for every single one of them...

I agree people should own up to their mistakes and I honor the fact that you do. The people around though should not take advantage of the situation and just bash them as much as possible. The person, persons, or company should be bashed but no more than what they deserve.

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I am not comparing SLis tech and stability but how people reacted. Read the post!
I compare these two launches only because they are both Multi GPU solutions from Rivals. Its only logical to compare them. I realize Cross Fire for the X8x0 Series sucks but thats just that generation of cards. Thats why I consider it a Beta. It was a hack job while the R520 will have it from the get go.

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people understand perfectly...and none of this is "FUD"...it's all FACT...

the only fud im not liking is the general Idea that ATI created this Screen Limitation on purpose. They couldnt work around it unless they made it so you needed two new X8x0 Series Cards which would be ever worse.

(hüseyin, El Salvador)

nope

(özlem, Zimbabwe)

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