All nested Tables not showing?? ( 3 Views )

I have edited, looked, edited, reloaded, and this is driving me insane.
I know it has to be something completely simple, but I simply CANNOT get the two middle tables to show.

That the heck is going on???
Can anyone see what is missing???

Thank you!!!!!!!!

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">

</script>
</head>

<body bgcolor="#000000">
<TABLE align=center valign=middle cellSpacing=3 cellPadding=10 width="85%"
borderColorLight=#000000 borderColorDark=#000000 background="../blueroses2.jpeg" border=1>
<tr><td> <table width="100%" border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

<tr><td> <table width="100%" border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=10 background="../Eilatstone.jpeg">

<tr><td> <table width="100%" border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

<tr><td><table width="100%" border=3 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=10 background="../labradorite1.jpeg" bordercolordark="#006600" bordercolorlight="#66FFCC">

<tr><td><table width="100%" border=3 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=5 background="../pages/swirl.jpeg" bordercolor="#FFCC33" bordercolordark="#333366" bordercolorlight="#66CCCC">

<tr><td> <table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">
<p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p>
</table></td></tr> </table></td></tr> </table></td></tr> </table></td></tr> </table></td></tr> </table></td></tr></table>
</body></html>

(m.turhan, Palau)

So <tr><td> <table width=blahblah> beginning is backwards???

Do you go <table><tr><td><width="100"> and so on in THAT order, instead of the tr-td-table width??

How would you set the individual info for each table if thats the way it works? With another set of tags after?

--edit-- I saw, it didnt show until I hit reply and then went back and edited :)

(mehmet, Netherlands)

look above your post. It took, and I replied ;)

(seyhan, Greece)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raila

So <tr><td> <table width=blahblah> beginning is backwards???

Do you go <table><tr><td><width="100"> and so on in THAT order, instead of the tr-td-table width??

How would you set the individual info for each table if thats the way it works? With another set of tags after?

--edit-- I saw, it didnt show until I hit reply and then went back and edited :)

that's the hard part, you have to name these within the tags where they go, if you want a table to be 100% wide and have no spacing, but an inner table to have spaceing it would go something like this:

Code:

<table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="1">

  <tr>

  <td width="100%" valign="middle" align="center">

    <table width="80%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" border="1">

      <tr>

        <td width="50%" valign="top" align="left">

          <p>some stuff</p>

        </td>

        <td width="20%" valign="bottom" align="right">

          <p>more stuff</p>

        </td>

      </tr>

    </table>

  </td>

  </tr>

</table>

If you copy & paste it into a document, you can see how those settings effect the table. attributes like width and border belong inside the tags. W3Schools has a pretty decent explanation of which attributes go with which tags; as does HTML Goodies

(erdem, Monaco)

Quote:

Originally Posted by firegryphon3207

Code:

<table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="1">

  <tr>

  <td width="100%" valign="middle" align="center">

    <table width="80%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" border="1">

      <tr>

        <td width="50%" valign="top" align="left">

          <p>some stuff</p>

        </td>

        <td width="20%" valign="bottom" align="right">

          <p>more stuff</p>

        </td>

      </tr>

    </table>

  </td>

  </tr>

</table>

I don't understand. That is almost identical to what I have done.
Though... Let me play with the placement of the td and table. Maybe reversing them in the doc will get them to show.

(zehra, Palau)

It only needs the extra set of tr's and td's on the innermost table.

(ahmet, Solomon Islands)

Well, changing around the order did not work at all. It has to have the tr-td-table order to show right. I even reversed the closing order to make sure they all matched up, and like, every table disappeared inside the previous one for some weird reason. Fark, this is annoying, but I already gave up on another aspect I was looking at graphic wise for this site. Im not giving up on these tables.

But I did try something different
I cheated.
I added a table, AND closed the table tag after it. Made it just a single setting of a black bg, and it seemed to open the center one right. I don't get it?

(seher, Austria)

Here is how the entire table thing should look with the changes in red.

Code:

<TABLE align="center" valign="middle" cellSpacing="3" cellPadding="10" width="85%" borderColorLight="#000000" borderColorDark="#000000" background="../blueroses2.jpeg" border="1"> <tr> <td> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="4" background="../goldstrip2.jpeg"> <tr> <td> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="10" background="../Eilatstone.jpeg"> <tr> <td> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="4" background="../goldstrip2.jpeg"> <tr> <td> <table width="100%" border="3" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="10" background="../labradorite1.jpeg" bordercolordark="#006600" bordercolorlight="#66FFCC"> <tr> <td> <table width="100%" border="3" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="5" background="../pages/swirl.jpeg" bordercolor="#FFCC33" bordercolordark="#333366" bordercolorlight="#66CCCC"> <tr> <td> <table width="100%" valign="middle" border="5" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="4" background="../goldstrip2.jpeg"> <tr> <td> <p style="color: red;">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </body></html>

(kadir, New Caledonia)

---huggs---
That was a lot of work for you. Thank youthankyouthankyou.

That is what I wanted :)
I cannot believe just forgetting to add that ONE additional stupid table in the center only around the text was what I was missing, other than having added back in the "s, which I did as well here cause its right.

::slaps self more::
GADS. How dense lol.
Thank you, Thank you, and I will begin on the CSS stuffs now. I guess that also answered another question, that the CSS doesnt have to have a whole separate style sheet for everything. Only the more elaborate stuffs, right?

(sevde, Barbados)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raila

I know that is how you do it with single tables, but Does the same rule apply to nested tables, which won't end until all the nesting is completed? Wouldn't it show as separated tables if you end each table with the /table tag at the end of each nested section instead of closing them all at the end, like a nested section would?

Yes, the same order applies:

Code:

<table>

  <tr>

  <td>

    <table>

      <tr>

      <td>

       <p>blah blah blah</p>

      </td>

      </tr>

    </table>

  </td>

  </tr>

</table>

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raila

I see...
So basically, I am still coding in the dark ages. LOL I was just doing what worked, and what I was familiar with. I guess I have not been keeping up on the newest "improvements" in the way to code webpages :)
Thank you!
-starts looking to learn some new stuffs-

Don't feel so bad, I only came out of the "dark ages" myself this past year. :lol:

(emin, Cote D'Ivoire)

When you start a <table> tag you have to follow it with <tr><td>. That's all we're trying to tell you. ;) And then close it with </td></tr></table> Even when you're nesting the tables.

(However, you might consider this article before continuing.)

Good luck. :)

(atiye, Mongolia)

Well no wonder, there are so many nested tables and not tabs, how can you even see if there's an error. Put it in [code] tags and add some tabs or something.

(okan, Bolivia)

Lifted out of the middle of that:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg"> <p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p> </table>

Where are the <tr> and <td> tags in this table?

While we're at it, you should also quote ALL tag attributes, like this:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign="middle" border="5" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="4" background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

(mekansýz, Georgia)

Quote:

Originally Posted by blufive

Lifted out of the middle of that:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 

 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

<p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p>

</table>

Where are the <tr> and <td> tags in this table?

While we're at it, you should also quote ALL tag attributes, like this:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign="middle" border="5"

 cellpadding="2" cellspacing="4" background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

<tr><td> <table width="100%" align=center valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">
you missed the beginning of that line :)

And what do you mean, Tabs, Shad0w?
In what manner?
It IS a nested table design. That is how it is being coded.

I am using Dreamweaver to code this for the WISIWAG, and all I get for the center table with the text, and the table around it is a little square in the center, no matter what I change. When I preview it, the tables do not even show, and the text is showing on the background TWO table sets above it. I am about ready to pull my hair out, and cannot see what is wrong. I have all the tags closed, and have to be missing something simple that I cannot see.

Incidently, I have seen more nested table sets than even what I have. I have seen sites with up to ten nested table sets.

--Edit--
I took out the <p></p> commands, and got one of the missing two center tables to show, though the text is still not in the right frame.

I think I am getting closer, and think it may be just some really weird incompability or command that something just doesnt like. I will keep working and see.

(serkan, Solomon Islands)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raila

And what do you mean, Tabs, Shad0w?
In what manner?

here is what you have for the innermost table:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg"> <p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p> </table>

This is how it should look:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg"> <tr> <td> <p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p> </td> </tr> </table>

tags should be closed in the opposite order in which they were opened. If you do not place text properly within the <td> or <tr> tags, then your tables will behave unpredictably.
And just as an FYI: font is a deprecated tag and should not be used. You should instead declare your fonts using a style sheet.

(dilek, Paraguay)

Quote:

Originally Posted by firegryphon3207

here is what you have for the innermost table:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

<p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p>

</table>

This is how it should look:

Code:

<table width="100%" valign=middle border=5 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=4 background="../goldstrip2.jpeg">

<tr>

<td>

<p><font color="#000000">Text, blahblahblah..yadda yadda.</font></p>

</td>

</tr>

</table>

tags should be closed in the opposite order in which they were opened. If you do not place text properly within the <td> or <tr> tags, then your tables will behave unpredictably.
And just as an FYI: font is a deprecated tag and should not be used. You should instead declare your fonts using a style sheet.

My code is going

Code:

<tr><td> <table width="100%">

, and I am closing them in the order of /table, /td, /tr. Is that not the opposite?

Somehow, everyone keeps missing parts of the tags as they are written. I had tried to keep them somewhat separated to make sure I was not doing the same thing myself. I know I did it a few times in the beginning as well, and when I went through and looked more carefully, I saw what I had done.
What I dont understand is why the text is showing, but in the WRONG table. It makes no sense.
I DID notice that I had two sets backwards for the table backgrounds, and that is what the text is showing on in my preview. The center table with the corrected backgrounds, is now showing as a tiny square, no matter what I do for the size or anything else in the center table. Nothing makes it show fully, and the coding is done in the right area.

I am getting ready to just upload the corrected version, and let you guys look again, and see if it maybe is the cache in my Dreamweaver that is showing it funkily. Is that possible? To have cache not display the updates correctly? My browser acts pretty screwy a lot, not loading pages until I refresh like sometimes up to 5 times in a row.
Its really starting to tick me off, but thats a whole nother thread...

One quick question tho. How can "font" be deprecated, when its almost a definite given that it will show correctly in all browsers? Or at least it used to. Im not entirely sure about that anymore. Maybe it really is time for me to get up to date and start learning CSS, but I have heard so many people do not get nearly the results in browser compatibility as they would like. Like it as not, most of the users are not techies, and most of the users that hit the sites they are coding still use the basic browsers and AOL.
I had tried several different browsers to get away from IE, but none of them operated close to what IE does, sadly, and for the most, sucked really bad on displaying most anything.
Actually, this has gotten me thinking...

::posts another few threads::

(zeynep, France)

heres the addy.
http://home.insightbb.com/~raila/inprog.htm

Like I said, I fixed a few things, but its still showing way funky.
As I said, unless its just my browser cache.. :<

(mahmut, Estonia)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raila

My code is going

Code:

<tr><td> <table width="100%">

, and I am closing them in the order of /table, /td, /tr. Is that not the opposite?

Somehow, everyone keeps missing parts of the tags as they are written.

I think there is a misunderstanding here. The correct order for opening table tags is :

Code:

<table>

  <tr>

  <td>

  <p>contents of your table</p>

  </td>

  </tr>

  </table>

Table tags must be opened and closed in a specific order. Otherwise the browser becomes confused and no telling what you will get.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raila

One quick question tho. How can "font" be deprecated, when its almost a definite given that it will show correctly in all browsers? Or at least it used to. Im not entirely sure about that anymore. Maybe it really is time for me to get up to date and start learning CSS, but I have heard so many people do not get nearly the results in browser compatibility as they would like. Like it as not, most of the users are not techies, and most of the users that hit the sites they are coding still use the basic browsers and AOL.
I had tried several different browsers to get away from IE, but none of them operated close to what IE does, sadly, and for the most, sucked really bad on displaying most anything.
Actually, this has gotten me thinking...

::posts another few threads::

The font tag was deprecated with html 4.0. XHTML is what many pages are being coded as. For now, the big well known browsers know what to do with it, but who knows how long that will last? Doing fonts with css is actually easier for you as you can always go back and change it once and the change will instantly appear on all pages. Most of CSS2 is well supported and you can get consistant results across all browsers. Including the AOL browser. And for the most part, css degrades pretty nicely across older browsers.

(þebnem, Aruba)

Quote:

Originally Posted by firegryphon3207

I think there is a misunderstanding here. The correct order for opening table tags is :

Code:

<table>

  <tr>

  <td>

  <p>contents of your table</p>

  </td>

  </tr>

  </table>

Table tags must be opened and closed in a specific order. Otherwise the browser becomes confused and no telling what you will get.

Quote:

(ahmet, Seychelles)

it depends on your site. If you are going to have alot of pages with css all over the place, then you would be better to have it all in a seperate sheet. A few pages with alot of css, you can do it in the header. Just a tiny bit here and there, you can put it in each individual tag. Depends on where you are going with it.

(enes, Estonia)

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